Yeah, it's used alot in the same MS there. frualeydis posited that it might be representational of a moire. There's another kind of pattern that they use which is clearly different from this, and more like a regularly patterned brocade.
This, for instance (http://inky.library.yale.edu/medwomen/04183221_Detail.html), would be the brocade version.
By the way, thank you for the fabulous link! I'm having trouble reading some of the "Names" and the stanzas are often beyond me (parle francais, pas allemande) but it's fantastic. Although I truly wish there was an index!
The manuscript is from 1587, so that's the approximate date for all those dresses.
I don't know what meisnische means, no. I am not near my German dictionary either, like 10 hours by car distance.
The dress you want to do, by Joos van Cleve, looks to be overlapping even. I've not had a close look at that type of gown, but the fur lining might also add another layer of complexity. I'd still say it's front closing, but not at all sure how.
On that dress - centre front. Probably lacing first, and then hooks and eyes. As frualeydis says, the guards down the front indicate the opening probably goes there. They also work to conceal the stitches needed to keep a lacing strip on :)
That's what I've been thinking. I want to do a dress like that (specifically, this one (http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?46153+0+0), which is clearly front closing), but I wasn't sure if all or only some would be front-closing. Lacing and hooks makes sense - I know some people who do later 16th c (Elizabethan and contemporary period in other countries) who do the double-whammy closure.
Not sure if the skirt should be open or not though. To make it stay put in a nice way I'd lean toward having it closed down the front, with just a slit long enough to get in and out of at the top of the skirt.
Hee, well, possibly going German. I also have a number of Italian paintings I'm looking at. I'm still only collecting inspiration. Maybe I'll make the green brocade my project for next year's Double Wars.
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Date: 2006-03-14 04:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-14 04:54 pm (UTC)This, for instance (http://inky.library.yale.edu/medwomen/04183221_Detail.html), would be the brocade version.
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Date: 2006-03-15 08:12 am (UTC)I don't know what meisnische means, no. I am not near my German dictionary either, like 10 hours by car distance.
The dress you want to do, by Joos van Cleve, looks to be overlapping even. I've not had a close look at that type of gown, but the fur lining might also add another layer of complexity. I'd still say it's front closing, but not at all sure how.
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Date: 2006-03-14 07:00 pm (UTC)Out of curiousity, where are you putting the closure?
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Date: 2006-03-14 08:32 pm (UTC)Eva
PS. The dress in your icon is on my to-do list.
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Date: 2006-03-14 09:11 pm (UTC)Hee, I inspired Aleydis. I feel all fuzzy and warm :)
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Date: 2006-03-14 09:14 pm (UTC)Would you agree with that?
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Date: 2006-03-15 09:29 am (UTC)/m
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